we do not presume

… to know how to speak about mission and growth in the context of the 1662 communion rite.

Any suggestions?

(remembering it is my first Sunday, of course)

8 thoughts on “we do not presume”

  1. I’ve never yet failed to appreciate your sermons. Whatever you say will be right and thought provoking. I know the first Sunday is daunting. Free your brain a little and don’t worry; maybe Molly can help you.

  2. a mystery known only to God, Eamonn.

    I’ve celebrated it twice now and I still don’t understand a bit of it. Neither have I been able to find anyone who can help me make sense of the structure.

    They all seem to agree that the structure is bizzare, but like the words. I find I don’t know how to pray the liturgy because I do not know what is going on at any given moment.

    Who’d have guessed I would be longing for the Sat morning pattern at St N’s??

  3. And did you really know what was going on on Saturday mornings at St N’s? Apart from the epiclesis, there isn’t much difference between 1662 and 1929, as I found out when I opened the book at the wrong place and ploughed on with the English liturgy, not realising it was the wrong one.

  4. PS The foregoing without prejudice to agreeing with Mosaguda about the quality of your sermons, both at St N’s and subsequently.

  5. the structure is sufficiently different, I think. In the Scottish Liturgy, I flinch at the language, the wordiness and the heavy emphasis on sin.

    In 1662, I don’t know when I’m confessing, when I’m lamenting, when I’m celebrating, when I’m offering, nor indeed why I’m confessing (again) and offering (again) after absolution and communion are both complete. But I haven’t done a side by side comparison yet.

    The first time, I missed out the elevation altogether because I thought there was more to come over the page, and then realised it was over… No doxology, you see. Among other things.

  6. Found this thru another blog. Shouldn’t you be starting as you mean to go on and if you don’t understand 1662 get the flock used to something else? Its not as if any of them were around when it was written (were they?)

  7. Ah if only it were that simple, agatha.

    If someone has been using a particular liturgy for 80 years, and the new rector has been there for 8 days, changing the liturgy by fiat could be disastrous.

    The 10.30 am service is usually the blue book, and I simply have to encourage any new comers not to worry about the other service times for now…

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